tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post1041585056543005408..comments2023-12-13T11:16:14.115+00:00Comments on Exponent wargames: Paints: A reviewPaul Chanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17944454332027086677noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-70858166881849415742011-01-12T02:33:20.310+00:002011-01-12T02:33:20.310+00:00Hi, nice blog & good post. You have beautifull...Hi, nice blog & good post. You have beautifully maintained it,Its really helpful for me, hope u have a wonderful day & awaiting for more new post. Keep Blogging!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gfmpainting.co.uk" rel="nofollow">oil Painting</a>academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01520616376879851189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-90355388145729610602010-02-25T12:02:02.435+00:002010-02-25T12:02:02.435+00:00Yes I saw that OllieKickflip tutorial a while back...Yes I saw that OllieKickflip tutorial a while back on cmon forums and was immediately interested. I had a problem finding a nice smooth white spray, tried 3 different types but all were rough, then I forgot about my desire to try the technique. I see that Helldorado one uses a greyish brown undercoat, I'll probably give it a go (puts me in mind of this thread, which is also something that I put on the 'to do' list as I like working with light grey http://coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36684&highlight=kingdom)Ferranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09919144359508578318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-2874177289779035222010-02-25T08:59:27.841+00:002010-02-25T08:59:27.841+00:00@Ferran @Glassboy - In terms of online painting tu...@Ferran @Glassboy - In terms of online painting tutorials, I've yet to find one better than this:<br /><br />http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32050&st=0Paul Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17944454332027086677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-67764474786302356462010-02-25T02:25:06.112+00:002010-02-25T02:25:06.112+00:00@Ferran I had a quick look at your stuff. You mig...@Ferran I had a quick look at your stuff. You might be interested in this method http://www.helldorado.fr/figurines/helle-moller-step-by-step-painting-guide-by-thomas.php<br /><br />As to the cleaning, get yourself an Ultrasonic cleaner (http://www.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=YH5406). It's an easy sell to the SO because they are used to clean jewellery. Mine does a good job of cleaning minis and the Jewellery of the SO and her friends.R Singershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688410341414457249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-5800417366624080632010-02-25T01:25:14.415+00:002010-02-25T01:25:14.415+00:00Hi Paul
My usual prep (after filing/scraping) is ...Hi Paul<br /><br />My usual prep (after filing/scraping) is to go at the model for a while with a toothbrush, warm water, and soap. Then I clean a second time with a different toothbrush and some water to make ure there's no soap residue left. Priming is either 2 light coats of GW black or 1 coat of hardware store black followed by the 1 coat GW, then whatever base coat I want (usually medium-dark grey, this thread illustrates http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236528&page=3) finished results on my blog here http://sixtymetalmen.blogspot.com/ It should be noted that I found this problem mainly with the lighter colours like Deck Tan / US Field Drab. Quite frustrating :(Ferranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09919144359508578318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-38620967520344717852010-02-23T21:46:29.871+00:002010-02-23T21:46:29.871+00:00@Ryan in ROI terms something like Vallejo is bette...@Ryan in ROI terms something like Vallejo is better. It comes in a dripper bottle and as long as you keep the nozzles clean you don't waste much.<br /><br />The pigment is finer and denser so with thinning you cover more surface area with the same paint.<br /><br />Plus you add the cost of your saved time.R Singershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688410341414457249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-3027321366803181192010-02-23T21:31:41.896+00:002010-02-23T21:31:41.896+00:00@Glassboy-Thanks for the comment! I have noticed ...@Glassboy-Thanks for the comment! I have noticed that it takes more brush strokes than what I see on some videos. It is rather thick. I'm tempted to us a Flow Aid to see if it helps. I guess it comes down to me being cheap! I might give some of the other paints a try and see where I fall. They might end up as scenery paints.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516846048428791057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-37423160680972262002010-02-23T21:08:18.683+00:002010-02-23T21:08:18.683+00:00@Ryan I've tried both Folk Art and Apple Barr...@Ryan I've tried both Folk Art and Apple Barrel. The pigment in them is much larger than a proper miniature paint. Basically that means that you work much harder (and longer) to achieve the same effects you get with a miniature paint.<br /><br />I only use them for bases and scenery, where the cost effectiveness is much better realised.R Singershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688410341414457249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-67452538177352543882010-02-23T20:14:23.749+00:002010-02-23T20:14:23.749+00:00@Paul Chana- They are acrylic paints. I find that...@Paul Chana- They are acrylic paints. I find that they are quite useful but don't 'flow' as well as I'd like. TBH I've never used any other paints (GW, P3, or Vallejo) since I've just started getting into the miniature hobby. I do like the price of the hobby paints. I have tried to thin them but I haven't been happy with the results. If you want to see the results of what I painted here's my link: http://bertbatcon.blogspot.com/2009/10/ryans-warmachine-pictures-pt-2.html<br />and<br /><br />http://bertbatcon.blogspot.com/2009/10/ryans-warmachine-pictures.htmlRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516846048428791057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-22953388231188220382010-02-23T19:08:26.771+00:002010-02-23T19:08:26.771+00:00@Ryan, I've never used them TBH. Are they acry...@Ryan, I've never used them TBH. Are they acrylic? If so I would imagine they are pretty much the same thing, however if they are more like poster paint that i used as a child then im guessing that they would not be quite a hardy and stay fast as acrylics.. how do you find them to use?Paul Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17944454332027086677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-4319663583170840232010-02-23T18:52:47.650+00:002010-02-23T18:52:47.650+00:00I know this question is slightly off topic. But I...I know this question is slightly off topic. But I would like to know you're opinion of 'craft paints' such as Apple Barrel and Folk Art. Yes, I'm more of a historical guy and they typically use them. But how would they truly compare to GW or P3 paints? The best thing about craft paints is the price for quantity. About a $1 or so for 2 oz, that 56ml! Sure the you'll have to search for colors and blend. But if you have any experience with them I'd love to hear it. Especially how they fair with blending, thinning and the like. I have used them for my Protectorate Army and they came out nice. Thanks for your thoughts!Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516846048428791057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-65826883690472343142010-02-23T08:09:13.972+00:002010-02-23T08:09:13.972+00:00@Glassboy - I've been trying desperately to fi...@Glassboy - I've been trying desperately to find a good UK supplier of GSI that doesnt cost the earth... If you know of one, please let me know :)<br /><br />Thanks<br />PaulPaul Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17944454332027086677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-83142883957340007822010-02-22T22:41:34.889+00:002010-02-22T22:41:34.889+00:00@Karnstein re airbrushing Vallejo. I can't pu...@Karnstein re airbrushing Vallejo. I can't put any of the Vallejo paints through my Tamiya airbrush as they plasticise in the tip and block up. However they work fine in my Badger 150.<br /><br />If you only want to paint 40K vehicles using GW paints you can. You need to get a dripper bottle and put in 1 part GW paint and about 2 parts clean water. Distilled water might be best if your area has a high water mineral content.<br /><br />Then you shake the hell out of the bottle until the paint is very well mixed. Add the paint to the airbrush cup in small quantities making sure you shake the bottle well again before adding to it.<br /><br />It also helps to have a compressor with a moisture trap on it.<br /><br />Myself I'd probably base coat with Tamiya paints and then build the final colours over that. The Tamiya paints give a very good tooth for the later painst to adhere to.<br /><br />You also have to varnish afterwards as the airbrush layers are much thinner than brushed paint.R Singershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688410341414457249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-61824844837773357042010-02-22T22:33:56.262+00:002010-02-22T22:33:56.262+00:00Hi Paul. A nice review. I suspect that the P3 pa...Hi Paul. A nice review. I suspect that the P3 paints are the same as Foundary and Coat de'arms, and the old Citadel, and will be made by a company called HMG.<br /><br />I agree with you completely about Tamiya paints. If you want the ultimate airbrush paint tho' try and get yourself some GSI (Gunze Sangyo) acrylics (Mr Color). They're a bit hard to get hold of, but they're a dream to air brush with and the finish of the semi-gloss colours on WWII vehicles is amazing.<br /><br />I've painted a large number of flames of war vehicles. I prime with my airbrush using Tamiya brush on primer thinned with meths, followed by a base coat of Tamiya Acrylic and then several Transparent layers of GSI paint.R Singershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688410341414457249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-74991349752361840312010-02-22T20:40:43.007+00:002010-02-22T20:40:43.007+00:00Thanks for all the comments guys!
@Ferran - Reall...Thanks for all the comments guys!<br /><br />@Ferran - Really? :O I've never had the thinning problem with vallejo - I paint at a ratio of about 75% water too - Do you undercoat before hand? The only time where ive had something similar is when working with a resin model that hadnt been cleaned properly - here the release agent caused the paint to fail to stick, but never on a properly cleaned model...<br /><br />@ Tom - Yeah Vallejo black is terrible. Its one of the truly awful paints in that range. Even the VMC one is bad too. I tend to use either Citadel or P3 as a replacement (although TBH I tend to use very little black in my painting - if i want to darken a colour, i will either use an offset colour, or a very dark grey (Adeptus Battlegrey from GW is a favourite). Vallejo metallics do tend to be a bit "un thinnable" - I've taken to use the vallejo medium to thin them out instead of water<br /><br />@ Big D Im sure you wont be disappointed. Like I mentioned, P3 is fast becoming my favourite paint range<br /><br />@ Aaron - Sorry for not mentioning either C'd'Arms or the reaper range - TBH i've never actually used either. Having had a look at the relevant websites now, I shall endeavour to get some at this years Salute show and report my findings :)<br /><br />All the best<br />-PaulPaul Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17944454332027086677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-70013391622176569822010-02-22T19:19:18.661+00:002010-02-22T19:19:18.661+00:00I wish you would have looked at Reaper's serie...I wish you would have looked at Reaper's series of paints, which, in my opinion, are very similar in quality to Vallejo. Like P3 they are sold in triads with a shade and highlight, but in Vallejo style bottles.<br /><br />While I enjoy P3 paints, I have had problems with their metallics, which tend to clump, and thin unevenly.<br /><br />Any thoughts on Coat D'arms paint? I believe they are Gw's "old" range, which I very fondly remember.gorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13894256230499333260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-40207745518016965722010-02-22T18:26:55.939+00:002010-02-22T18:26:55.939+00:00Good review Sir. I'm glad to see your mention ...Good review Sir. I'm glad to see your mention of Vallajo's black separating, I though I just had a bad batch.<br /><br />I would also mention that GW's metallics are better then vallejo's, I think the metal is ground much finer. Other then that, Vallejo is always a value.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192316280629844659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-34754526419258331182010-02-22T17:22:32.901+00:002010-02-22T17:22:32.901+00:00I have had good luck with the P3 paints. There isn...I have had good luck with the P3 paints. There isn't a local store that carries them where I am at so I order all mine off of thewarstore.com<br /><br />I just ordered some pinks for a little project I am working on and am looking forward to getting them in.Big Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074939846436715234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-79702687929209991082010-02-22T13:39:11.995+00:002010-02-22T13:39:11.995+00:00I agree with skarsnik, for the most part my GW pai...I agree with skarsnik, for the most part my GW paints don't dry up (though there are exceptions). I'd like to like valejo but I've found them uniformly gritty and liable to break up when heavily thinned (by which I mean you put a thin layer down, it dries, then you over-paint it with more very thin paint and it starts to lift), needless to say this is horrible when it happens. P3 are too shiney for me, they're way more satin than I like for most purposes, they do have their place though. All in all GW / coat d'arms are my preferred range, I just wish they had the colour range of Valejo model :'(Ferranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09919144359508578318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-35322079034006408442010-02-04T16:46:35.664+00:002010-02-04T16:46:35.664+00:00Cheers for the review. Just wanted to add that I s...Cheers for the review. Just wanted to add that I still use the same GW colours I bought back in the days(well 10-15 years ago?) and they are still doing fine :) sure they are running low but it seams the newer bottles are far inferior to the oldstyle!Skarsnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862788140221913092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-18294775125908236792010-01-19T20:19:33.540+00:002010-01-19T20:19:33.540+00:00Cracking post mate, I've never ventured outsid...Cracking post mate, I've never ventured outside of the GW range but I think I might have to give those vallejo a go.Col. Corbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01020939787609973241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-3581209459457943552010-01-19T13:55:29.352+00:002010-01-19T13:55:29.352+00:00@consadine - Unfortunately in London we dont have ...@consadine - Unfortunately in London we dont have any FLGS (if anyone knows one in West London, please let me know!). I usually order mine online from Wargames Workshop, who have always been quick and efficient. I think more places are starting to stock them, especially in the states, but in the UK they are a little harder to come by.<br /><br />@Karnstein - I use the VMC / VGC with great success through my airbrush (H+S Infinity). There is some small amount of tip drying with them; although less so if you use the vallejo additives (I tend to thin with 75% water and 25% vallejo acrylic thinners). There are not as easy to airbrush as the Tamiyas but they do work well through the airbrush. The Vallejo air brush paints are obviously very good through the airbrush, and as far as i can tell they are just the normal paints pre thinned... (as an aside, you can airbrush pretty much anything so long as it is thinned appropriately)<br /><br />HTH<br />PaulPaul Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17944454332027086677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-68586896765127409012010-01-19T13:46:34.312+00:002010-01-19T13:46:34.312+00:00That looks like a nicely written article. Thumps u...That looks like a nicely written article. Thumps up!<br /><br />One short question: you talked about vallejo airbrush paints. I only own a couple of VGC&VMC bottles, but I want to get myself a decent airbrush gun. Do those normal colors work for airbrushing, or are those vallejo airbrush colors a must have? I don't want to do fancy stuff, my only goal is to apply a clean coat of the primary and secondary color on my 12 eldar skimmer tanks.Karnsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13889090422057767719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5198490029213986758.post-30450142465741697662010-01-19T04:59:39.193+00:002010-01-19T04:59:39.193+00:00I haven't tried the P3 paints, although this m...I haven't tried the P3 paints, although this might be because my store doesn't carry them; are they in most FLGS's or do you have to order online?candiedwhiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12654481323574044779noreply@blogger.com